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Why Your Startup Shouldn’t Hire a Marketer from Microsoft

No square 150x150 Why Your Startup Shouldnt Hire a Marketer from MicrosoftI’ve heard tons of horror stories from startups that hired someone from a large company who was “very senior and qualified” but turned out to be horrible.  There are lots of talented marketers working at places like Mircosoft, IBM, and Apple.   The problem is that if that’s the ONLY place that person has ever worked, you might be in for big trouble.  Here’s why you shouldn’t hire a big company marketer for your startup:

1/ The big company marketing silo problem – Big company marketing groups are organized in a matrix. PR folks do PR, comms does comms, product marketing folks do product marketing.  Your startup needs someone that knows all of those things.  Sure, branding might be the big problem you have right now and a kick-ass person from a big company might be able to tackle that, but the minute you need them to work on lead generation you’re toast. Startup marketing folks have done it all – they write, do lead gen, talk to the press, do competitive intelligence and manage leadgen programs.  They might have no clue how to scale all of that to $100M in revenue but chances are your CEO doesn’t know how to run a $100M company either.  Hire the right person for the stage you are at right now and when (if!!) you make it to the next level you can figure out what do to then.

2/ They will never get over the fact that you have no budget – Big company marketing departments spend  huge amounts of energy fighting for budget.  In a more established market, the more money you pour into your sales and marketing engine, the more good stuff comes out.  A good startup marketer rarely complains about the budget, in fact she’ll just assume there isn’t one and go about her business until she can present a funding request for something that even a moron would have to approve it’s so clearly the right thing to do.  Hire that big company guy and I guarantee you will never hear the end of complaining that there’s not enough money.

3/ They don’t know much about early traction and market development – I launched a product at IBM and the cool part about that was that we hadn’t launched a product in years. Most big company products are well established and new products are likely to be add-ons or upgrades.  New products require a totally different set of activities around messaging and positioning, working with influencers, getting visibility in a market, etc.  Startup marketing folks get this.

4/ They need help to get stuff done – one of the things I found really frustrating at IBM was how many people it took to get one simple thing done.  If I wanted to create a whitepaper for example I would have to work with a writer on the draft, someone in comms to make sure my messaging aligned with corporate, someone in branding to do the layout and make sure I was using copyright properly and then I would have to go back to comms to get it produced.  It took a village to create a whitepaper.  Even if a person is great at their part of that job, they might not know how to do the whole job without a lot of help.  Good startup marketing folks can lay stuff out themselves, know what legal stuff they really need to worry about and can just plain work their way through getting it done.  It might not be perfect but they will deliver dozens of these non-perfect whitepapers in the time it takes a big company marketing person to deliver one perfect one.

5/ Some of their skills are deadly (and I mean that in a bad way) – One of the key skills you need to master to be successful in a big company is to be able to sell your ideas to management and other departments so that you can get budget and permission to do stuff you want to get done.  What if you hired someone who was really good at that but whose ideas about what should get done didn’t really make a ton of sense for your business?  You will need some strong management to make sure you stay out of trouble and if you don’t have that, you could end up going in a direction you shouldn’t be.

P. S. What if the person went to the big company and realized they are really a startup person at heart?  What can they do to prove to you they can do the job? Here are some things I like to see on resumes:

1/ The are actively participating in social media outside of their job function – I find folks that are actively blogging and maintain a presence on Twitter (as long as it isn’t filled with profanity or overly focused on getting dates) are generally thinking of their career as being something bigger than the big company they work in now.

2/ They are an active part of the local startup community – in Toronto I can name a handful of people that did stints at big companies but you could tell they were startup folks at heart because they spent all the time they could hanging out with startup people and learning about startups.  Beware the big company person that interviews at your startup that nobody has ever heard of before.

3/ They can clearly, thoughtfully articulate why they want to work for your company (and it isn’t about the options) – There is a strange bit of folklore that goes around big companies that there is more money to be made at startups.  Nothing could be further from the truth of course but if you are watching for those folks you will be able to spot them.  People have to be in it for the work, period.

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    Por qué tu Startup NO debería contratar a un Marketer de Microsoft (Rocket Watcher): http://tinyurl.com/2abq77s

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    Great blog post on hiring marketing pros for startups – be careful hiring from big companies. http://bit.ly/eEizcp

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  • http://FreeDB2.com Leon Katsnelson

    As I was reading this post quite a few things hit home. I am not a marketeer but I lead a team at IBM that is charged with bringing new customers to our database (DB2) products and to cloud computing database offerings. In more ways then one we operate as a startup within a large company. So, I am more than familiar with the reasons listed and I think you are right on the dot. Silos and “they need help get stuff done” is a huge hinderance. So we have our own end-to-end way of doing things. The only thing we have not been able to get done ourselves is press releases as these need to be coordinated up and down and sideways. I have no time or patience for this. So, we only get a couple of press releases a year. Frankly, our audience does not care much for PR; we do it because our partners value having a joint press release.
    Budgets, what budgets! We don’t have one and there is no way I am going to spend as you pointed out “huge amount of energy” getting one. We do everything through social media and, I think, are hugely successful. One of the things that you have not mentioned is that in many large organizations it is next to impossible to do “product marketing” as marketing efforts are often focused on corporate programs and not on individual products. Startups don’t have “corporate programs” and neither does my team. Don’t take me wrong, I am happy to get a ride on a well funded corporate program; I just can’t afford the effort that would be required.
    So, what is my point? I think you have written another great post. Congratulations! I’d just add one tiny point – it is not just the company that the person came from that matters but how they operated in that company. While I freely admit that my team does is not very common it does happen even in companies like IBM and Microsoft.

    • http://www.rocketwatcher.com aprildunford

      Hey Leon,
      Thanks so much for the comment. I remember how hard it was to try to get something done at a product level at IBM – it just wasn’t the way things worked. And press releases, don’t even get me started on that. You might remember when we were releasing DB2 on Linux and I was told I couldn’t announce it because we had reached our press release “quota” for the quarter. I wasn’t about to go back to the dev team and tell them that we weren’t releasing the product for another 3 months because of some silly quota and we ended up doing the release like many startups do it – we posted it everywhere except the newswire (including someone taking a briefcase full of them to comdex for face to face press interviews). The hilarious thing was that we ended up generating more press than any other IBM announcement that quarter but I also remember getting into a bit of trouble from corporate so I don’t think I would have gotten away with that more than once.
      You make a good point about resourcefulness – that’s something that exists in big and small companies alike.
      April

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        LoL … I soooo get that story, April.

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  • Jeff

    Reading back through this a few times reminds me of some interesting behaviors at both big and small companies. First off, I agree with Leon wholeheartedly regarding it being important to understand how someone behaved at a large company prior to dismissing them.

    Then there is another side. A startup should be a startup for a defined period of time, not forever. I have been there when a company could not scale because of the startup mentality and everyone wanting to wear multiple hats. they couldn’t get out of their own way, and there was no accountability. It is all really a balance of working towards a defined goal, with a clear strategy and the willingness to not take no as an option. I have, and have also seen VPs and CMOs that would roll up their sleeves and write, or who wanted to be in the loop for the direction setting of the piece. I think it is a bigger win long term to find that individual that has a mix of experience that knows when to just go get it done, and when to start turning the wheel for growth and scalability.

    They are out there, they are just a bit harder to find.

    • http://www.rocketwatcher.com aprildunford

      Your point about “a startup should be a startup for a defined period of time” is a great one and that’s in many ways what this post is about. The marketing stuff you do when you are trying to get traction is different from the stuff you do when you are trying to scale. Very often the folks (for many roles, not just marketing) that get you to 10M aren’t the ones that will take you beyond that. And that’s OK in my books because the roles change and the required skills are different.
      April

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  • Tom Arts

    Hi April,

    thanks for the blog post. Honestly I must say I don’t fully agree with your first point on The big company marketing silo problem. I work for Microsoft as Customer Marketer Manager in a subsidiary in Western Europe. And I do lead gen, manage lead gen, drive campaigns, do competitive intelligence, etc… I understand your point but I feel you’re generalizing too much.

    My 2 cents.
    — Tom

    • http://www.rocketwatcher.com aprildunford

      Hi Tom,
      Thanks for the comment. It is a generalization and I know there will always be exceptions. For example, when I worked at IBM, the types of leadgen that someone in your position would do would be nothing like what you would do at a startup. For example, at IBM, corporate would dictate what the overall look and feel of the content should be, what the campaign themes should be, what targets to focus on, what products to market together, etc., while the folks in the field would be responsible for localizing that content, working with local partners, doing local events, etc. At a startup the types of lead gen that gets done is very different and the tasks are different in that the marketing folks need to come up with everything from scratch. You might be doing everything from scratch in your subsidiary but I would guess you are more the exception than that rule.
      Thanks
      April

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  • Patrick Welch

    Hi April,

    just found you through the coffee shop story in Scott’s book. I’ve experienced what you spoke about in your post a number of times.

    One was with a project manager who couldn’t wrap their brain around the tiny budget we had (and so couldn’t function) and the other was a conversation with an intimate of BG of MS who complained that progress was so slow because of the “siloing” that is so prevalent at the company.

    Thanks again for your posts and I look forward to reading more (can’t wait to see you one-up Scott ; )

  • http://www.tingbasoft.com sam surkhang

    Hi April,

    Thanks for the great post. I am a founder of an early stage startup called tingbasoft.com. We have a SaaS IT Servicement Management tool geared towards small and medium businesses.

    We want to roll out our SaaS in the next few months but the marketing strategy is almost non existant. I agree with your point 2 that there is no marketing budget. It seems that the only option is to offer equity for the help from marketer? Is this a common practice in your opinion?

    Sam

    • http://www.rocketwatcher.com aprildunford

      Hi Sam (sorry I’m late to respond, your comment got trapped in my spam filter).
      You can try to get some marketing help in exchange for equity but it’s not going to be easy. Getting marketing help is no different from hiring a developer – you will get what you pay for a good ones will want to get paid.
      With respect to the budget you have to think about how you are going to acquire customers. How much are you willing to spend and how much will you make off of a customer after you get them. Understanding that will help you understand how much you should be spending on marketing. You will definitely want to run some experiments to make sure you are not making any false assumptions around that.
      You don’t have a business without customers so figuring out how you get them is important.
      Good luck!
      April

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